What The Deuce?!

Happy Weekend Clammers!

Well we’ve all made it through another week and the weekend is here!

All week we field your comments about your frustrations in the game and we wanted to give you (and us) a fun way for you to voice your frustrations and get it all off of your chest.

So welcome to WHAT THE DEUCE?!

What the Deuce

Here’s your place to vent about anything and everything, Family Guy or not.  Consider this your weekly bitch fest and get it all out with a good…WHAT THE DEUCE?! And start your weekend fresh! 🙂

Just be respectful of others & be mindful of the language.  

Here’s mine for this week:

WHAT THE DEUCE….I have to have the worst garbageman on the planet.  9 times out of 10 he doesn’t take the trash that’s in the bin.  And when he does he gets selective about what he takes.  So he’ll leave bags of trash in the middle of our driveway!  Seriously what the frak dude?!

WHAT THE DEUCE….what was with the Warehouse Raids?!  The Mob Rep completely stopped dropping on the last part cutting me out of at least 1500 Mob Rep….

Now it’s YOUR turn…give us your WHAT THE DEUCE?! moments from the past week!  Go on, get it off your chest…you’ll feel a lot better! 🙂

303 responses to “What The Deuce?!

  1. Drop rate for trombones seems super low. Mobbed 6 girl scouts and not a single drop 😦

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  2. What the deuce is with no response from customer support in over 48 hours regarding missing roaches preventing me fo advancing? I dropped from 3rd to 5th in position. I’ve been a premium player, dropping usually $20 per event, but this event not only gets no cash for crashes, but I’m considering uninstalling it entirely…

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  3. Tubas. It’s taking me forever to get in a good pattern to get Luchadors, and I need them for the obstacle course when I do recruit them. I’ve only gotten to clear one Gurl Scout, and she didn’t drop a tuba. At this rate, I’ll have all the other items for Cleveland Jr. but zero tubas.

    I’m also frustrated that my first vacation in 2 years (where I’ll have no internet access) is going to fall over the last 10 days of the event, meaning I’ll miss out not only on mystery boxes and last week characters/skins, but probably Cleveland’s skin (since it looks like you’ll need to hit up the golden truck every day to successfully unlock him) and I’ll lose my ranking that (so far) has me qualifying for Stewie and the Godfather character. Boo.

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  4. WTD, whenever I click on the lemon cleaners warehouse with the exclamation mark above it, I get an error message saying “Could not find close button, ‘Button_close’

    Please help as this is driving me crazy, I have emailed TinyCo three times now and had no response

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  5. I have cleared two golden trucks but they haven’t dropped anything. No currency, boxing gloves, mob rep, or cookies. I dont find it fair that I see other people actually moving up in the game and each event the glitches and crashing hinders my time to actually play since Im always having to reload the game and resend characters on tasks just to have it crash repeatedly. I have followed all the instructions to help remedy the glitch but this has been an issue since Xmas event and nothing has fixed it. I just spent the $10 on clams to get Tyson but if Im not able to collect boxing gloves just like everyone else then whats the point??? I have emailed tinyco several times and just want to play like everyone else k 🙂 Thanks for hearing me out

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  6. WTD — challenges that become mathematically improbable due to elements not working properly or glitches to the game keeping people from playing. The in-game timer says there are just over 25 days remaining to the event. If you haven’t collected from a gold truck yet, you may as well forget it without planning on spending clams. I have zero issue grinding out tasks and challenges provided they are reasonably attainable, but these instances where the math becomes highly improbable either from the start or because elements fail to work from launch are just too frequent.

    I wouldn’t mind returning to districts that involve the FAMILY GUY characters and storylines. That seemed to be when the game was the most enjoyable for me both because game glitches could become overcome because there wasn’t a timer on them and also they actually involved characters from the show which is why I started playing to begin with.

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  7. TUBAS
    GOLF BALLS
    AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHH

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  8. Woke up to 3 gold trucks Rollin around in my town … That’s a Good wtd… 👍🏼

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  9. WTD
    I hate the ragdoll mechanic!!!
    Please,… Install an option to turn it off, TinyCo……….

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  10. WTD is it with requiring two luchadors for one gurl scout? It’s time consuming to get the masks (still have to get Diabeto up to level 5 before he can help), and when you get a few hired, they are needed to defeat the casino obstacles. So far I’ve only cleared 2 or 3 Gurl scouts, and gotten a single tuba for unlocking Cleveland Jr. At this rate, there is no way to get enough tubas before the event ends. Next week after the mansion upgrade, it looks like we’ll get another goon (bad showgirls) that will be competing for space in the hiring queue. Sometimes I wonder if these events have been play tested all the way through like a typical user would play, not just enough to check if the functions work.

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  11. I agree on the problem with the mob rep (or lack there of) rewards in the safehouse. I must be out of about the same amount as you and got almost no assistance from TinyCo. They did credit me back some clams, which makes up for a small bit of the inconvenience; I’d much rather have gotten the mob rep I didn’t get.

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  12. WTD? How is it that for the last few characters that had to be earned, I am able to get the rare stuff, sometimes even the extra rare stuff, before the uncommon stuff? I have all the ritalin and only 4 tubas! The last 3 girl scouts I took out did not yield a single tubas! Sheesh!

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  13. I usually don’t do these, but here goes:
    What the deuce? The leaderboards! Might as well had an auction where premium players bid clams against each other to get the Don.

    What the deuce? The fedora payout being removed from the hedges. I never spend event currency for decorations during the first week of event, I always leave it for the last week to pick up everything I want. I was hoping to get a little boost in the leaderboards with it, but Tinyco decided to screw players like me over. Removing the fedora payout isn’t gonna fix the problem, it just made it worse. People who already bought the hedges have an advantage in front of those who didn’t and those who didn’t buy those have now way harder time climbing the leaderboard.

    What the deuce? Freaking Lunchadors! It takes forever to get the masks and they are needed for too many things. Why couldn’t we get one mask for every truck raid? This would be a better way to balance things out.

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  14. The new event fences/hedges no longer gives fadoras after purchasing ?

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  15. Capitán Pinga Loca's avatar Capitán Pinga Loca

    WTD: i seriously love to have 5 million coins in-game for NOTHING..! give us something, like buying characters. And wtd2: I also love how tinyco ignores characters actually related (sort of) to the current event like Vinny or Patrick Stewart and George Takei in the past star trek event..ugh.

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  16. WTD!! I have been stuck on mob mentality pt 8 for the last 5 days! I didn’t get the bad cockroaches at the end of the third raid and now I can’t finish the quest! No answer from tinyco support for the last 4 days 😦

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  17. And yet another big event and guess what…STILL NO LAND!!!******!!!I mean WHAT THE DEUCE???literally most of my streets are gone in order to fit all buildings!it’s a chaotic mess my town that is.dear sweet and loving Tinyco we need LAAAAAAND!!!!!

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  18. I was doing fine until this morning when I opened my game and was shocked when I learned my game was gone. I was left with Quahog burnt to the ground. Help me get it back…, please!

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    • Did you get logged out? If so just a few taps to get the menu to trigger back in the game, log in to way you were, LOAD the game on the Level you left

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  19. Wot the deuce we need another way to earn tubas for Cleveland Jr!

    I’ve got mostly everything for him but have 0/20 tubas lol that is an absolute joke

    It doesn’t help that it takes 2 luchidor masks to even attempt to get a tuba from clearing them pesky gurl scouts (that would take me 4 hrs to get the 2 masks)

    Plus all my luchidors ate currently being used for the casino raids. So how am I supposed to do both?

    Little side note on the two times I have cleared a girl scout I have NOT got a tuba on either of those occasions lol supposed to be uncommon but we all kno that us n tiny co have different versions of uncommon lol

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  20. Dear BUNNY! I’ve been having an issue for 4 days now, my game won’t load at all 😦 Consuela keeps popping up with a ‘No index found for currency type P1RebuildSreetD1’ load error and I haven’t been able to play all week. I’ve emailed TinyCo and posted on the game’s facebook page too but so far I’ve been ignored 😦 Have you heard of anyone with the same issue? Help me Bunny, your my only hope!

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  21. Did gold truck 3 times no gloves in sight. Garbage man here actually had the nerve to tell me I should give him some cash so he could buy himself a few beers. I said I tell you what, I will not give you anything you already get paid for this job. Let me remind you that you have missed me twice this month and I am sure your boss would like to know you are shaking customers down. Funny, I have not seen him since then.

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  22. Manny Martinez's avatar Manny Martinez

    Ok, my what the deuce is a truly big deal, at least to me (and if anybody can help me with this one, it would be great). I was just recently banned from leader board competition to my great dismay and indignation because I had no idea why I was being banned. I honestly thought it was just part of the crash issue. I contacted Tiny Co about this immediately and their response to me was that I had violated their rules of play because they had detected that I was using or downloading illicit software or versions of the game. What absurdity!!! It’s like they have a rehearsed automated answer

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    • Manny Martinez's avatar Manny Martinez

      I was cut short on my comment… So anyhow, I was basically blamed of being a cheater with some unfounded and untrue accusation. I am terribly disappointed in this action and I’ve honestly lost the interest to continue with this game. I intend to play until my current clams run out and then just leave. I do not enjoy being called a cheater . I served this country honorably many years in the military and I certainly do not find the this accusation pleasing in any way. Much less knowing that it is unfounded and false. I have never looked to hack or cheat this game, so I’m really dumbfounded and my last effort to find a possible course of action to fix this or get advice is by posting my dilemma here. It has been unfortunate and utterly unnecessary to find myself in this situation, but that’s just the way it is.

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      • I feel your pain… I was banned from the start, randomly unbanned for a week, then rebanned yesterday. In the meantime, I was simply playing legitimately and trying to move up the leaderboards (though I never broke the top 1000) I have no idea what TinyCo is even doing anymore.

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      • There must be something with your game that triggered the ban. Do you have an idea of what may have caused the ban?

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  23. I personally think there is WAY too much content in this event so far. I’m feeling somewhat overwhelmed with paying close attention to which characters collect what to unlock this this and that new characters lol… WHAT THE DUCE?!…I’m having funn tho.😀
    ✨💫

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  24. Hi-5 Your Uncle!'s avatar Hi-5 Your Uncle!

    Ok first off, I’m so mad about the Android crashes for several days. I’m automatically sooo behind. Now, I take down golden cookie trucks and they don’t give me ANYTHING! Let me guess, I can’t get anything from them unless I’m in week 2 stuff with Cleveland’s boxing match stuff…Which I’d be in if it weren’t for the Android crashing BS…So WHY would you put the golden cookie trucks in the game if they weren’t going to drop ANYTHING?!? Hello? Earth to TinyCo? Are you that freaking stupid?!? This event is total crap so far! Right from the start! Grrr! (Ok, I’m done. FYI, TinyCo, fire everyone that works for you)

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  25. What the deuce?

    Could Tinyco lower the amount of luchadors needed for the girl scouts and also the Tuba? Its insane that its very hard to obtain those maskes and it takes long to hire one furthermore the tuba drop rate is so slow. I think its harder to get those tubas than plutoniums.

    This event is so confusing that I find the star trek event more fun to play albeit grindy.

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  26. Oh man I am on a roll!!
    I LOVE to read the comments here but if I have to hear the same question over and over again, about the purple trucks or the gold trucks I am going to scream!!! So before you ask the same question, take a minute, if you have it, to see if perhaps a hundred people asked it before you! Omg grrrr

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  27. WTD!! So tired of the glitches in this game, right now! I can’t get past the first 2 minutes without having connect errors and I have done EVERYTHING! I even uninstalled and reinstalled it!
    Got a message saying they pushed a fix and it’s even WORSE than it was!
    Really thinking about uninstalling permanently. NO game is worth this much hassle!

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  28. what the deuce? Due to some lag and I guess one tap too many I spent 30 clams to unlock the last casino obstacle. So angry and confused right now.

    Also, these Luchadors are ridiculous. I’m not able yet to build what I need to start earning masks, but is it really an hour each to spawn? In the same queue as the goons? And 2 of them needed to clear scouts? And 20 uncommon drops from those scouts for Cleveland Jr?

    At this point, I think players are going to have to choose between 1 or 2 out of these 3 things: (1) Luchadors to get Cleveland Jr, (2) keeping goons handy to stop golden trucks to earn Cleveland’s costume (max 5 a day, 25 days to go means if one starts now one can’t afford to miss the golden truck a single time), or (3) using goons for mob rep to try to get a decent leaderboard prize. Except for big time clam spenders, I think even getting 2 of these are a long shot. I’ve definitely said goodbye to trying for the golden trucks…

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  29. Well the gold truck thing is a big waste of time. Three times in a row I disposed of it and three times wasted with no gloves. Good job tiny co for being a big *** on that. I’m just glad is only on Cleveland, a character that has no item gaining use for the last year that I can shelve

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  30. What the Deuce? I’m still waiting on an IOS update so I don’t crash. it seems I might as well not even try for this event as Im missing over a week of it.

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  31. I’m working on the All In 1 quest. The Quagmire job requires a building. The building (and several others) is locked, saying I need the All In 1 quest. Um…???

    There’s a pop up for the Luchador masks that says you can get them from Bonnie, Cleveland Jr, and someone else (I forget). The picture shows Bonnie, Diabeto, and that third person. Neither Bonnie nor Diabeto are showing any jobs that drop masks.

    When events are so confusing the people putting them together can’t keep them straight, maybe they’re in need of streamlining?

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  32. I’m an addict, I just wanted to mention that part lol I have an iPhone 6 plus and I typically hardly ever have glitch issues but for the last two days I can’t visit my fellow Facebook friends’ town. I checked the Apple Store and I don’t see that family guy needs to be updated (I have the settings with automatic updates) … I really want to see my friends town

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    • To add, Consuela says, “Nooo your need to update your game …” I believe that’s a typo or a glitch with the game. It should be “you” not “your”

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  33. Is anyone else having issues with the Gold Trucks? I’ve cleared 3 so far, and none of them have dropped gloves, just coins and Mob Rep. Also, every time I’ve cleared them, the game will crash soon after, and I will have lost those coins, thugs, and rep with no Gold Truck in sight.

    This event isn’t really doing anything for me; I’ve tried being patient but all of the bugs and crashing is just ridiculous. I’m not sure if I’ll pay much more attention to it.

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  34. wtd… I would say that this event is a wash. This is worse than the Star Trek glitches and crashes. NOW, they actually want us to “buy clams and get cookies”. Really?!?! The last thing I would be asking for, if I were them, is MONEY. Kind of insulting. And, yes, I know, I don’t have to buy them, and I won’t. Same goes for the Mystery Boxes. I learned a hard lesson on the Star Trek event, I will not spend money on a rigged slot machine they call a Mystery Box. Not until they can adjust it so I don’t spend 400 clams and get nothing but dilithium crystals, when there was sooo much more in the Box. I’m just going to cruz along, the leaderboard is nothing but a joke, now. It means nothing. No one can catch these, “untouchable” players who NEVER experience problems( still EXTREMELY SUSPECT). BIG FAT FAIL ON THIS EVENT… 🙂

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  35. Two. TWO Golden trucks so far and ZERO GLOVES. What the deuce; where are the gloves???!!!???

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  36. What tha Deuce! This game is driving me batty. Since all the crap with the game crashing I’m falling so far behind I will never catch up. I went from 32000 in the rankings to 67000 in a day and a half. I’ve had 4 golden trucks, 2 crashed my game and none of them has given me a single boxing glove, I’ve sent two messages to TinyCo and only gotten a canned response.

    These last few events have been such a grind, I’m logged into my game at least ten times a day and I don’t even come close to getting the things I need to complete the events. I see all this talk of casino and Lunchadors issues; I don’t even know what that is, I’m still grinding away to get Diabetico. I told myself I’m not giving TinyCo any more money, then BANG, Mike Tyson shows up. I wanted him and said screw it, I’ll pony up the $10 bucks and get some clams. Sorry, game crashed! Thanks TinyCo, that was $10 bucks you will never see from me. Like I said, this game is too much of a grind, no where to put anything that we work or pay for. It may be time to spend all my time in my Springfield.

    WTD!

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  37. wtd😖 they refuse to give more land, and to add insult to injury won’t let me put the huge brewery deco in inventory bc it’s “too important”😐 i currently have a quaint underwater shopping district in the ocean

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  38. How is it possible to get the Cleveland skin when we are lucky to get 2 boxing gloves a day?

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  39. My WTD is more directed at Apple. I’m waiting for them to approve the update so i can play on my iPod. I can still play on my Kindle and Android but because they are using v 1.9.1, I can’t play on the iPod. The reason I’m upset about it is because I have only 24 hours to purchase the clams to get the bonus cookies and I have a $15 credit on iTunes!

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  40. WTD overall with this event…. just redundant, taxing, annoying nonsense. And that doesn’t even factor in the silly, sad crashing and poor planning. Almost four weeks left to go, and I’m already over the mobster event. I’d really like to know…, who the hell is spending actual money for fake stuff during this “event”? Blah. Try harder and hire smarter people, TIny Co.

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  41. I haven’t received my roaches and I’ve completed 4 raids already. Looked through all my inventory. Can’t progress in the game and new quests won’t trigger… plus the golden trucks are not dropping anything but money. Sent a request to tiny co and now waiting for a response. I’m being left behind! 😦

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  42. Magilla_84131's avatar Magilla_84131

    How long does it normally take for iOS to catch up with an update? This is getting frustrating. I can play on my android tablet. But, only when I can get on wifi. When at home I use my phone. Which I can’t use now until the iOS update goes through.

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  43. oh now, …. what ……the…… deuce?! I’ve got 10 purple trucks, 1gold truck and Girl Scouts getting run over left n right!!!!!!!

    Guess I’m just hiring goons for a while!

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  44. Lost Days in which i can’t enter the game. And now when i’m able to reenter its still bugged. Saw 2 Gold trucks and none dropped gloves. And from the support i got only a bulk response mail, triggert by keywords.
    And the game crashes still every now and than.
    The game is great, but from event to event it gets buggyer. And in an event with an leaderbord this is more than frustrating.
    I’m also far away from completing Diabeto. Still in stage 1. Thats not good…

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  45. Hey bunny, any idea what the drop rate is for boxing gloves from the slammer? I’m debating shelling out clamp for it…

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  46. Wtd. 20 tubas. Really with all the other stuff thats like a min of 40 luchadors while trying to keep the trucks engaged too. Its starting to get really tedious

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  47. SERIOUSLY WTD! fix the gold trucks already. Another one just showed up and no gloves from clearing it.

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  48. WTD? I can understand people who were locked out of the game, or are being affected by glitches being frustrated, and as far as I am concerned, they absolutely have the right to rant, but for some of the other complaints? WTD!

    *warning, this is going to be long because I have been holding this in since the new event started!*

    “Why should people who pay money get an advantage over those who play for free?” Really?!? Of course they should have an advantage, they are literally paying for it! If they were not spending money on the game, the game would not nearly be as interesting as there would be no incentive for the developers to try and add to the game. There are also people who play for free complaining that they won’t be able to get the highest prize because the premium players will most likely be in the top 100 players. Yeah, and so what? Again, they are paying for that privilege. I will be happy to get the cat, and certainly do not begrudge anyone who wants to spend a fortune on stuff, and chooses to give up sleep to play, as they are basically subsidizing my playing the game!

    When I first saw the leaderboard, I knew that would become a bone of contention, even if there had not been any glitches in the game, because of the sense of entitlement so many seem to show in their posts, and I knew there would be cries of “not fair”, just as there have been in every event that has happened since I started playing.

    Now people are complaining about Consuela being a free character, if you get enough of the fedoras to earn her skin, because they bought her. Nobody forced you to buy her, and it is very common in the real world for the price of things to change. For example, how often in the real world can you walk into a store and tell them you should get money back for the tablet you bought 6 months ago, but is 200 dollars cheaper now, and it isn’t fair that people can now get them cheaper?!? Conversely, a lot of times prices will increase, so do you think that the people who bought them earlier should go back to the store and pay the difference, so they do not get it cheaper than you?

    I am also willing to bet the people ranting about the fancy hedges are just pissed they did not buy the hedges before they stopped offering hats with the purchase. I can’t speak for everyone, but I had no idea that getting hats was not part of the game design, since the first individual prize was 17k hats, and I bought them because I like them, not just for the hats, and thought it was a great deal at 15 cookies. I doubt anyone was out to screw others over by buying them. In fact. I saw lots of posts where people shared that buying hedges was a good way to get MR. It was not a scam or trick.

    And the level of animosity of people aimed toward the developers is so out of balance with what the situation warrants. If someone gets upset and emotionally charged enough to spew hatred about “this silly little game” then perhaps there is another hobby or form of entertainment that would be more suitable. Do you honestly think the developers want there to be glitches and unhappy players? Or do you think they want a smooth running game that is enjoyable for the players so they will spread the word. Do you honestly think they enjoy getting flooded with angry emails? If, as so many people claim in their vitriolic posts, all the developers care about is money, do you think creating unhappy players, with a glitchy game they can’t play, which will ultimately end up chasing them off, is their endgame?

    And then there are the multiple posts about how they are forcing you to spend money for clams. No, they are not forcing you to do anything. If you want all the stuff, or you want things to go faster, then you have to spend money, but there is plenty of play available without spending money, you just won’t get all the stuff. You can earn a minimum of 365 clams a year for free, not including the occasional clams given as prizes for completing tasks.

    And for the cries of “not fair”, it is very fair that those who choose to spend money and set alarms to wake up every hour, go further in the game and get more stuff than others. Some folks seem to think that “fair” means they get everything that everyone else gets, regardless of how much they are willing to do to get it.

    Okay, I feel much better now!

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    • You are right, Robyn. People who pay money SHOULD have an advantage, because IT WAS PAID FOR. However, on the flip side, a lot of what TinyCo, has you pay for can be a real crap shoot. Especially with the Mystery Boxes and things of that ilk. Are their prices alittle high? Maybe they could come down, but probably wont. They do make it expensive to “make the game more interesting”. But, with a game like this, that crashes constantly, event after event, wasting your time with broken tasks and such, starting to make headway, only to be set back again, is it worth the money, right now? Or should we wait and see if they can go more than 2 events without MAJOR problems? 🙂

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      • jnaples, yeah the glitches and some of the prices are insane, but obviously there is a market for it, because I read a lot of people discussing their purchases of various characters, buildings, etc. I agree with you, and think that investing a lot of money in an unstable game doesn’t make a lot of sense, where waiting to see about the next one does make sense! All I want is the cat! I don’t have, nor do I desire Cleveland, so at least the gold truck issue is not a bother! *chuckle*

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    • excalibur1984's avatar zombiepanda2007

      In response to Robyn, read and analyze the complaining posts before you rant because you don’t know the exact purpose as to why they’re complaining! As far as people complaining and making “not fair” comments it’s because in some situations YES INDEED IT’S NOT FAIR that quite a bunch of people, and “you know who you are” cheat and get tons of clams for free to get all the stuff, therefore making it hard for other players who are playing without cheating. I’m a premium player, and by choice I spend my hard earned money on this game because I like to get the cool things being offered. I’m not always able to get everything, but for the most part, and if I can afford it I’ll get it without cheating! Lord knows I hate some individuals here because they cheat and then they rub it in by saying “I have so many of this” “so many of that” not to mention some that have well over 30,000 hats in the short time this event has been open. I’ve read that TinyCo is gonna ban those who cheat but pfft not a chance.

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      • Zombie, I know exactly what led to my writing my rant, and the “not fair” comments I was referring to had nothing to do with the people that are concerned about the leaderboard positions and people that cheat to raise their MR. I understand those rants, and that because of the fact a lot of people could not play, and they are lower on the boards, and not as far along in the questlines than others because of it. That is perfectly understandable, but not what I was referring to. But for the record, I fully agree that people who cheat suck, but that is their karma, and to spend a lot of energy thinking about and getting angry about them is not going to make it better for me, and will in no way increase my enjoyment of the game, which is the only reason I play. Take care Zombie, and I hope you get the stuff you are looking to get out of the game! *smile*

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    • This only applies to a small amount of complaints.Yes, paying people get advantages. Me too, I get lots of stuff done by premium characters. But leaderboards should be a ranking of skill and effort, not cash input or cheat-capabilities imho. Anyway, advantages are one thing, showing you a prize you can never get to because of a load of cheaters is uncool and gives ppl the right to complain.
      But maybe this is all part of a greater TinyCo scheme to lure out the cheaters so they can ban them, properly and find out how they are able to do it.

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  49. WTD my game wouldn’t stop crashing even with the patch. The golden truck would never clear it would only crash my game. Then the one time I actually clear it without my game crashing I only get coins not gloves. I reported the problems in game with no response yet.

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  50. Have no issues playing on the android platform but IOS platform keeps calling for me to do an upgrade that’s not there. Been doing it for the last 5 hours or so.

    Getting aggravated at this point.

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